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Subject: Re: Default value to field SCAN
From: Michael Westfall <mwestfal@gemini.edu>
To: Dirk Zimoch <dirk.zimoch@psi.ch>
Cc: "tech-talk@aps.anl.gov Talk" <tech-talk@aps.anl.gov>
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:03:08 -0300
Our legacy systems use EPICS 3.13, so maybe that's why we haven't seen the messages before.
Thanks for the addScan source. That looks handy.


On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Dirk Zimoch <dirk.zimoch@psi.ch> wrote:
On 04.01.2017 15:46, Michael Westfall wrote:
We have a Bancomm card that provides an 80Hz clock tick, so I see that
the 0.01 second scan rate, at least, is going to be a problem...

I'm not sure why this isn't a problem (or hasn't been noted) on our
legacy vxWorks systems... Need to do more investigation...

Can it be that on your legacy systems you used an older version of EPICS base (one that did not yet print these warnings) ?

BTW, I have written an addScan command line function that allows to add scan rates in the startup script (rather than modifying menuScan.dbd) and which tries to crank up the vxWorks clock rate to at least 4 time the scan rate and warns if that is not possible.

Dirk


Thanks.

On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Mark Rivers <rivers@cars.uchicago.edu
<mailto:rivers@cars.uchicago.edu>> wrote:

    > We see these warnings too with custom scan rates of 0.01 and 0.0125 seconds.
    > The warnings are emitted even when no database is loaded, thus no records connected to these scan rates.
    > We are using EPICS 3.14.12.4 with RTEMS 4.10.2 on MVME2700.

    What is the system clock rate on this system?  On vxWorks in the US
    with the MVME2700 the default is 60 Hz.  I believe the EPICS timers
    will complete on the next clock tick.  Since your scan rates are
    less than 1/60 of a second then the actual scan time would range
    from 0 to 16.6 ms?

    Mark

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    Hi,

    We see these warnings too with custom scan rates of 0.01 and 0.0125
    seconds. The warnings are emitted even when no database is loaded,
    thus no records connected to these scan rates.
    We are using EPICS 3.14.12.4 with RTEMS 4.10.2 on MVME2700.

    I was meaning to ask about this....

    On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 4:55 PM, Andrew Johnson <anj@aps.anl.gov
    <mailto:anj@aps.anl.gov><mailto:anj@aps.anl.gov

    <mailto:anj@aps.anl.gov>>> wrote:
    Hi Gabriel,

    On 01/03/2017 12:58 PM, Gabriel de Souza Fedel wrote:
    >>> I'm having problems with a set of records without SCAN field
    that are
    >>> consuming a lot of CPU, and receiving this messages:
    >>>
    >>> dbScan warning from '.2 second' scan thread:
    >>>         Scan processing averages 0,00 seconds (0,00 .. 0,02).
    >>>         Over-runs have now happened 283681 times in a row.
    >>>         To fix this, move some records to a slower scan rate.
    >>>
    >>> dbScan warning from '.5 second' scan thread:
    >>>         Scan processing averages 0,00 seconds (0,00 .. 0,03).
    >>>         Over-runs have now happened 290049 times in a row.
    >>>         To fix this, move some records to a slower scan rate.
    >>>
    >>> dbScan warning from '.1 second' scan thread:
    >>>         Scan processing averages 0,00 seconds (0,00 .. 0,03).
    >>>         Over-runs have now happened 278431 times in a row.
    >>>         To fix this, move some records to a slower scan rate.
    >>>
    >>> If i remove small choices from dbd file (.1, .2 and .5 seconds)
    solves
    >>> the problem. Apparently the records are being created with all SCAN
    >>> values...some idea to solve this?
    >>
    >> These symptoms are very strange; as Mark Rivers suggested those
    average
    >> processing times should be larger than the nominal scan period.
    Please
    >> cd to your base/src/libCom/test directory and type 'make
    runtests' and
    >> report any test failures here. Also please try running the IOC
    with the
    >> LANG environment variable set to "C" instead of whatever it is
    currently
    >> set to in case that is causing the problem.
    > First, setting LANG=C stop this messages....why?

    Interesting, what is your normal value for LANG?

    The IOC works out what scan periods to create by converting the menuScan
    choice strings into a floating-point number using strtod(). It looks
    like in your case the strtod() routine is not recognizing the '.'
    character as the decimal separator (in the warning messages you showed
    the printf() output uses ',' as the decimal separator which is what
    suggested this to me) so for the sub-second periodic scan threads the
    scan period is being set to 0, hence the above warnings. By setting LANG
    to C you change the decimal separator that strtod() recognizes back to
    '.' and now the IOC can correctly convert those fractional-second
    periods into a non-zero value.

    You could try editing the choice strings in your menuScan.dbd file to be
    ",1 second" ",2 second" and ",5 second" but that solution risks
    incompatibility with any .db files that use the original strings in
    their SCAN field values (especially for .db files that you may use from
    support modules such as synApps or Asyn).

    Can you find a slightly different locale setting for LANG (or maybe just
    for the LC_NUMERIC variable) that will allow both ',' and '.' to be used
    as decimal separators in your language? Since none of the European EPICS
    users have complained about this I suspect there may be one, but this
    isn't an area that I know very much about — have any other EPICS users
    already resolved this kind of problem?

    > Secondly, I ran the tests, and some errors happened (attached), but
    > doesn't look to be anything related to that messages.

    True, that failure probably just means that the test program wasn't able
    to write to the Base directories — you can ignore this.

    - Andrew

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References:
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Re: Default value to field SCAN Andrew Johnson
Re: Default value to field SCAN Gabriel de Souza Fedel
Re: Default value to field SCAN Andrew Johnson
Re: Default value to field SCAN Michael Westfall
RE: Default value to field SCAN Mark Rivers
Re: Default value to field SCAN Michael Westfall
Re: Default value to field SCAN Dirk Zimoch

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